Yeshua vs Jesus

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The Christian writings are not reliable; however they can be used to gain historical insight. A formal logical methodology can be utilized to filter out anti-Torah words that can impossibly have been said by Ribi Y’hoshua [Link].

One is dishonouring the memory of the man Ribi Y’hoshua by calling him for the anti-Torah counterfeit image ‘Jesus’.

“As a Greek-speaking Hellenist, Paul the Apostate and father of Christianity was acutely aware that the gentile Roman public equated with Zeus —with Ieisous  ≡ Jesus.  [Documentation and quote: Link]

Regarding ‘resurrection’:

“Consideration of the Judaic factors demonstrate that the last Pesakh Seider for the 1st century Pharisee Ribi fell on the evening of the 4th (not 5th) day of the week (and that the approaching Shabat on the day of the crucifixion–almost a week later–was a special Shabat: the 7th day of the Festival of Matzah). This has been published for many years in the notes volume of NHM (The Netzarim Reconstruction of Hebrew Matityahu, published by Schueller House). Christians simply haven’t bothered to learn about the 1st century Pharisee Ribi.

Moreover, checking the tomb on the 3rd day was no anomaly. It was standard practice because the “art” of pronouncing death back then was, uh, less than scientific (and mistakes are still made occasionally even today). It wasn’t rare for a person to “arise from the dead” back then. When this occurred, they were said to have a “second life” identical to the “second shot at life” terminology used today. Although the symbolism is still important, it is different than the Christian view. The Pharisee Ribi wasn’t the only one to “rise from the dead” in this way; merely the most famous one–because gentiles understood the account they were told in their native mythical frame of reference.”  [Quote: Paqid Yirmeyahu, ha-Tzadiq, ben Dawid]

The enlivening of Ribi Y’hoshua (perhaps from some kind of coma) was completely in accordance with the laws of nature. About 40 days later he died of his wounds.

Re. sacrifice:
This post is already long enough and I will refer you to an answer, partially since I don’t want to make this post even longer. Go to the website of http://www.netzarim.co.il/ ; History Museum (left menu); then click on the ‘Mashiakh’-section of the top menu and read through the section below the Talpiot Tomb [the family tomb of Ribi Y’hoshua]-section.

Shalom,

Anders

Many persons claim that Rabbi Yeshua couldn’t have been a physical descendant of Yoseiph ['Joseph'] because of the curse of ‘Coniah’. Therefore, they claim, Rabbi Yeshua must have been born by virgin birth.

Lets study if this is a valid argument. The following quote might contain some Hebrew words which you aren’t familar with. You can click on many of the Hebrew words for explanations. This article is on a higher difficulty level than many other articles, for example the articles on my other blog called Follow Yeshua – www.followyeshua.com.

In the general context of the Haphtâr•âh′, for our analysis of R. Singer’s citation of Ho•shei′a ha-Nâ•vi′ 3.4-5 (Outreach Judaism, p. 12), see my Pâ•râsh•at′ Mishpat•im′ (96.02).

The Biblical Curse Against ’ Genealogy (“Coniah,” in Yir^әm^әyâh′u – ‘Jeremiah – 22.30)

(See also M^әnor•at′ ha-Mâ•or′ by Yi•tz^әkhâq′ Abuhav, רפ"ד, part 3 in si•d^әr•at Ki Tâvo)

The name כניהו (Koniyâhu –‘Coniah’ —Yirmeyahu  – ‘Jeremiah’ - 22.24, 28; 37.1), בן-יהויקים (son of Y^әhoyâq•im′), is found in two other forms in the Bible: יכניה (Y^әkhânyâh—Yirmeyahu 24.1) and יהויכין (Y^әhoyâkhin—M^әlâkh•im′ Beit – ’Second book of Kings’ - 24.6, 8, 12, 15; 25.27 {x2}; Divrei ha-Yâm•im′ Beit – ‘Second book of Chronicles ‘ 36.8, 9; Yirmeyahu 52.31 {x2}).

The most serious question that “anti-missionaries,” such as R. Singer, raise relates to the prophet Yirmeyahu ′ 22.30, who declared of Rabbi Yeshua’s patrilineal ancestor, Kanyahu (corrupted to Jeconiah and Jehoiachin): Thus says י--ה, Write this man heirless, a warrior who shall not prosper in his days; because from his seed shall no man prosper sitting on the Bench of Dâvid′ or ruling anymore in Yehudah – ‘Judea’.

This is the significance of the traditional Christian basis for insisting that Yeshu was born of a virgin—that, therefore(Christians claim), this patrilineal curse didn’t apply to him! This is one explanation. Considering Sarah‘s miraculous conception and Elisha ha-Nâ•vi′‘s miraculous reviving of a dead child (M^әlakhim Beit 8.5), such an occurrence is not beyond the abilities of י--ה.

On the other hand, it is not the only explanation, and while there is abundant evidence of the concept of virgin birth in pagan mythology, no one has yet uncovered any precedent in Judaism. Worse, as the concept is generally interpreted, it contradicts the immutable physical laws of the Immutable Perfect Creator of the universe.

In this connection, R. Singer correctly points out (Singer’s p. 46) that patrilineal descent determines tribal identification, based on be-Midbar – ‘Numbers’ -′ 1.18 (“by their fathers’ houses”). By this, Rabbi Yehsua – the Messiah – is shown to be of the tribe of Yehudah and of the lineage of king David through the king Shlomoh – ‘Salomo’ - (Divrei′ ha-Yâm•im Â′lëph 3.11-12, 15, 16-17; 17.11-14; 22.9-10; 28.6-7; T^әhil•im′ – ‘Psalms’ - 89.20-38; NHM 1). R. Singer reminds us (ibid.) that the Davidic Covenant Passes exclusively through the king Shlomoh  based on Shmueil Beit 7.12-16.

However, R. Singer doesn’t acknowledge in this context what he hails under his different section on “Oral Law” (Singer’s p. 68): that “Jewish identity passes exclusively through the mother” based on Ë′z^әr•â 10.2-3 (non-Jewish wives cast out with their offspring). This paradigm demonstrates that an exclusinary curse would be passed down matrilinearly—but Rabbi Yeshua’s matrilineage doesn’t include Kanyahu!!! This is why both lineages had to be given. The curse could not have passed down to Rib′i Y^әho•shu′a!!!

Further, according to Talmud′, fearing that since the king was childless, the House of Dâ•wid′ – ’David’ - would thus cease, The Beit Din ha-gadol – Great Judaic Supreme Court - succeeded in obtaining permission for his wife to live with him. Kanyâhu kept the laws of marital purity during this time, and as a reward was forgiven his sins (Yirmeyahu ha-Nâ•vi′ 3.22 with Lev. Rabbah 19.6—compare to the prophecy of Yon•âh′ – ‘Jonah’ – to Ninevah that was forgiven). Even the decree that none of his seed would ascend the throne (the prophet Yirmeyahu 22.30) was repealed when Z^әru-Ba•vël′ was appointed leader of the returned exiles from Ba•vël′ (“Babylon,” cf. Ma•sëk′ët Sunedrion 37b-38a).

Ma•sëk′ët Sunedrion 37b: “•mar′ R. Yokhânân, The gâl•ut′ – ‘diaspora’ – makes ki•pur′ for everything, for it is written [Yirmeyahu 22.30], ‘Thus Â•mar′ י--ה, “Write this man heirless, a warrior who will not prosper in his days; because a man from his seed shall not prosper sitting on the Bench of Dâ•wid′, or ruling anymore in Y^әhud•âh′.” ‘ Whereas after he [the king] was exiled [the Gâl•ut′], it is written [Divrei ha-Yâmim Âlëph 3.17], “And the sons of יכניה (Y^әkhânyâh): אסר(asir; he imprisoned), and his son שאלתיאל (Sh^әal•tiy•eil′)” [proving he had sons].

This is confirmed in Tor•âh′. Y^әkhânyâh not only had a son, his great-grandson, זרבבל בן-שאלתיאל (Z^әru-Bâvel Bën-Sh^әal•tiy•eil′—Ë′z^әr•â 2.2; 3.8; 5.2) became the פחה of Y^әhud•âh′ (Khaj•ai′ 1.1, 12, 14; 2.2, 4, 21-23; Z^әkhar•yâh′4.6-10)—whom י--ה calls “My servant” (Khaj•ai′ 2.23) and “I will place you as a signet ring, for I have chosen you” (ibid.). A signet ring implied the authority of the king.

The exile of Tzid^әqiyahu while Kanyahu was still alive was a merciful act, since Kanyahu could thus teachTzid^әqiyahu Tor•âh′ (Ma•sëk′ët Git•in′ 88a; “Jehoiachin,” Ency. Jud. 9.1318-19).

Moreover if this, the only surviving scientifically, archaeologically and Biblically (N^әkhëmyâh 7.63) credible genealogy of the House of Dâ•wid′, is rejected there can be no Mâ•shi′akh at all—ever! [Quote from http://www.netzarim.co.il]

Yeshua vs Jesus – Is Yeshua the same as Jesus?

Many persons say that they are the same. Are they?

Lets’ compare!

Who was Rabbi Yeshua?

Rabbi Yeshua was born 7 b.c.e.

Rabbi Yeshua father name was Yoseiph (‘Josef’) and mothers name was Miriam.

Rabbi Yeshua had twelve close talmidim – apprentice students.

Rabbi Yeshua taught to the masses and was very popular.

Rabbi Yeshua taught in the Jewish batei ha-kneset (‘synagouges’).

Rabbi Yeshua was crucified by the Romans 30 c.e.

Rabbi Yeshua – a Pharisee?

Rabbi Yeshua – the Messiah – from Nazareth was called a Rabbi even by his opponents. That title implies that Rabbi Yeshua had semikhah. Only Pharisees had this rabbinic ordination. This implies that Rabbi Yeshua was a Pharisee.

Christians usually don’t say that the Christian Jesus was a Pharisee. That is one difference between the historical Rabbi Yeshua ha-Mashiach – the Messiah – and the Christian Jesus.

You will find further documentation in this post: The historical Rabbi called Yeshua – the Messiah – was a Pharisee and his followers the Netzarim kept Torah

What did Rabbi Yeshua teach?

He being a Rabbi implies that he taught only in accordance with Torah – the books of Moses. The documentation – see link above – proofs that he never lost his rabbinic ordination. If Rabbi Yeshua would have taught against the Torah he would have lost his rabbinic ordination.

Rabbi Yeshua vs Jesus about forgiveness, salvation and eternal life?

If Rabbi Yeshua was the Messiah he must have taught what the Messiah was prophesied to teach. The Messiah was prophesied to teach in accordance with Torah; see this post: Yeshua ha-Mashiach and oral Torah?

What is attributed to the Christian Jesus you already know. But what did the historical Yeshua – the Messiah- teach about forgiveness and eternal life?

Torah, salvation and eternal life?

As stipulated in Devarim ["Deuteronomy"] 6:4-9,11:13-21 one is required to keep all of the directives of Torâh′ to one’s utmost—viz., “with all one’s heart, psyche and might [lit. "very"]“—”for the purpose of extending your days and the days of your children… like the days of the heavens above the earth” (i.e., eternal life).

According to the Tan’’kh -Yekhezeqeil ["Ezekiel"] chapter 18 et.al –  the Creator His atonement in His loving kindness to those and only those turning away from their Torah-transgressions and (re)turning to non-selectively Torah-observance.

Tana’’ch doesn’t contradict Tana’’ch. The Creator doesn’t contradict Himself.

Habackuk 2:4 – Torah-trustworthness vs Christian faith in Jesus

“Habackuk” 2.4: tzadiq bë-ëmunâto yikheyëh; the tzadiq′in his ëmun•âh′ shall live.

Tzadiq′ [A person who is just] is defined by Torâh – the books of “Moses”.

Tana’’ch does NOT say that the Torah–rejecter or wilful transgressor of Torah′  -shall live in his Christian “faith.”

Habackuk” stipulates that one who is tzadiq as defined by Torah shall obtain eternal life through his emunah,:Torah-study and training.

Essential to know is: What’s the meaning of the word emunah.

Emunah vs Christian faith in Jesus

‘state of trained proficiency and reliability inducing trustworthiness or faithfulness; also, the resulting “faith” or “belief-system” satisfying that description—defined by, and according to the standards of Torah. The Hebrew noun “coach” is a cognate:  me-amein. See also  amein’ This is the accurate Hebrew term underlying the grossly inadequate Hellenizations as “belief” and “faith”; particularly in the NT.’ [1]

You know learned a difference between the historical Rabbi Yeshua and the Christian Jesus. I hope you learn from this that it is important to not assume things.

Difference between follow Rabbi Yeshua, vs Christian faith in Jesus

When I was a Christian and a believer in Jesus I assumed a lot of things. Now I Torah regularly in Hebrew and I have learned what the Messiah will teach according to the Messianic prophecies in Tana’’ch the Hebrew Bible. I don’t any longer assume any things of what Rabbi Yeshua taught.

You have now learned from this post that Rabbi Yeshua – the Messiah – and the Christian Jesus taught different things.

What remains for you decided is if you want to follow the historical Torah-observant Messiah or the Christian Jesus. Proven above in the linked article was that the Messiah will teach Torah and the followers of the Messiah will teach Torah. The logical conclusion of this is that Rabbi Yeshua and Rabbi Yeshuas followers must have been Torah-observance. However, it was demonstrated above that the Christian salvation doctrine isn’t in accordance with Torah. The doctrine of that confessing Jesus as ones lord and saviour leads to salvation and eternal life isn’t in accordance with Torah.

As demonstrated from the Messianic prophecies above, if you want to follow the historical Rabbi Yeshua, you can’t stick to a doctrine that contradicts the book he taught to be the Instruction Manual of the Creator for all mankind for all times – Torah.

I hope you learned a lot and yet there is much to learn!!

Following Rabbi Yeshua’s teachings, leads oneself into Torah-observance; including an immensely meaningful relationship with the Creator.

I recommend you to read this article: Follow Yeshua and Torah? Course for non-Jews who wants to follow Yeshua

Notes:

1. Quote: www.netzarim.co.il ; Glossaries; “Emunah”

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